关于日本人与东亚其他民族的遗传距离问题,王博士已经提到了一些,我始终坚持自己的观点,我也不想再和某些人反复争论。我只想说,最近论坛上的很多争论都与日本人的南北问题有关,wegene有责任在这一问题上做出较权威的说明和解答,虽然言论自由,但微基因的论坛不能仅仅只是网友争论吐槽的场所,更是传播知识,引导科学思维的殿堂。在此,我恳求@lily,@wang在争论比较激烈的问题上给予正面的解释和回答,就向你们不定期推出的科普短文一样,我希望能看到一篇关于东亚各民族遗传距离和南北问题的短文,不但能让当局者解惑,也能带给广大分子人类学爱好者一份丰富的精神大餐。这样的文章我呼吁了很久,广大网友等待了很久,wegene-we must explore what our gene are!
When plotted on a graph with all of the other skulls, Jomonese 13,000 was a perfect match for Thailand 16,000 (Proto-Thai). “Proto-Jomonese” types were probably widespread through SE Asia at the time. The types in Easts Timor and in Thailand are probably the same people..当与所有其他头骨的图形绘制,Jomonese 13000是为泰国16000(原泰)的完美匹配。 当时的“亚洲原始”类型可能是广泛的。 东帝汶和泰国的类型可能是同一个人.
Why do pure Ainu have lighter skinned than Japanese? Are Ainu Northern Australoids (cold adapted Australoids?) or are they pigmented? I’ve seen pigmented Tamils and Veddas that look almost European; even the Australian aborigines would.
Look at this map of glacier cover in Japan at the height of the last glaciation about 20,000 years ago.
It shows the Hokkaido (Ainu land) living in a climate different from every other Asian countries.
Glaciation in Japan at the height of the last Ice Age 20,000 YBP.
The Ainu are indeed cold adapted Australoids, and they are actually Vedda types. A comparison of Veddoids and Ainu will show that they match perfectly.
The map of Ainu land is not correct. 20,000 YBP there were no Ainu in Japan. The ancestors of the Ainu are the Jomon. Jomonese skulls line up perfectly with skulls from Thailand 16,000 YBP. The Jomonese show up in Japan 13,000 YBP. So the Jomon left Thailand sometime between 16,000 and 13,000 YBP and made their way eventually up to Japan. When they first arrived in Japan, the Jomonese ranged over the entire country. They were not in Hokkaido alone.
They only ended up in Hokkaido when the Yayoi came from Korea to Japan 2,300 YBP and slowly conquered their way up the island, defeating and displacing the Ainu along the way. The Ainu were eventually pushed up to Hokkaido where the Japanese no longer pursued them much. Hokkaido is where they were found when modern anthropology discovered them in the modern area, but they have not always been located only there.
为什么纯Ainu比日本的皮肤更轻? Ainu北澳大利亚(冷适应的澳大利亚?)还是色素沉着?我看到色情的泰米尔人和Veddas看起来几乎是欧洲的;即使是澳大利亚原住民也会。
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蓝星旗,身份不详,为了让她高兴,姑且认为她是满蒙,很北,并与Gedmatch中日本人数据对比。
1.先看K7b
Population, South_Asian, West_Asian, Siberian, African, Southern, Atlantic_Baltic, East_Asian
Japanese 0 0 27.9 0 0 0 72.1
Japanese 0 0 28.9 0 0 0 71.1
蓝星旗 0 0 21.9 0.298 0.271 0 77.5
以上数据可见,在同一参照系下,西伯利亚比例日本人高于蓝星旗。东亚比例蓝星旗更高。
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里面是有qh_mongol(青海蒙古族)、日本人、雅库特人、畲族人、高棉人的
日本人北方不北方,其实不同人,出于不同的角度,得出来的结论也是不同的。
就遗传距离来说,对比国内的蒙古族、藏族,日本人还是要更接近畲族,更偏离雅库特人一些的。
与蒙古族等游牧民族对比,说日本人偏南是没有问题的。
@蓝星旗 本身是蒙古族,更多时候是以蒙古族做为标尺,和lz的角度有所不同,希望lz还是能体谅她一下
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......日本人就是南北混, 南北血也和中国人冇直接關係, 爭什么呢?
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Look at this map of glacier cover in Japan at the height of the last glaciation about 20,000 years ago.
It shows the Hokkaido (Ainu land) living in a climate different from every other Asian countries.
Glaciation in Japan at the height of the last Ice Age 20,000 YBP.
The Ainu are indeed cold adapted Australoids, and they are actually Vedda types. A comparison of Veddoids and Ainu will show that they match perfectly.
The map of Ainu land is not correct. 20,000 YBP there were no Ainu in Japan. The ancestors of the Ainu are the Jomon. Jomonese skulls line up perfectly with skulls from Thailand 16,000 YBP. The Jomonese show up in Japan 13,000 YBP. So the Jomon left Thailand sometime between 16,000 and 13,000 YBP and made their way eventually up to Japan. When they first arrived in Japan, the Jomonese ranged over the entire country. They were not in Hokkaido alone.
They only ended up in Hokkaido when the Yayoi came from Korea to Japan 2,300 YBP and slowly conquered their way up the island, defeating and displacing the Ainu along the way. The Ainu were eventually pushed up to Hokkaido where the Japanese no longer pursued them much. Hokkaido is where they were found when modern anthropology discovered them in the modern area, but they have not always been located only there.
为什么纯Ainu比日本的皮肤更轻? Ainu北澳大利亚(冷适应的澳大利亚?)还是色素沉着?我看到色情的泰米尔人和Veddas看起来几乎是欧洲的;即使是澳大利亚原住民也会。
在大约2万年前的最后一次冰川的高处看日本冰川覆盖地图。
它显示北海道(阿伊努地)生活在与其他亚洲国家不同的气候。
在最后的冰河时代的高度上,在日本的冰川是20,000 YBP。
阿伊努人确实是冷驯化的澳大利亚人,实际上是Vedda类型。 Veddoids和Ainu的比较将显示它们完美匹配。
阿伊努地图不正确。 20,000 YBP在日本没有阿伊努语。阿伊努的祖先是约蒙。日本的头骨与泰国头骨16000 YBP完美吻合。日本在日本出现13,000 YBP。所以Jomon离开泰国有时在16,000和13,000 YBP之间,最终到达日本。当他们第一次抵达日本时,这个日本人遍及全国。他们不在北海道一个人。
他们只在北海道结束,当时Yayoi从韩国来到日本2,300 YBP,慢慢地征服了他们的方式到岛上,击败和替代阿伊努一路上。阿伊努最后被推到北海道,日本人不再追求他们了。北海道是现代人类学在现代地区发现的地方,但并不总是只在那里。
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绳纹人本身就是很南的,弥生人也北不到哪里去,顶多相当于汉族的水平
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